The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson
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The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #1

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there had this book and was able to do me a favour please? Not meaning to criticise what is a pretty extensive document, with great pictures, but I just ordered Dr Force's book and was a bit disappointed by the level of detail and inaccuracies of the listings I was after.


I've read about The Great Book of Dinky Toys and before rushing out to pay what is quite a price nowadays I was wondering if anyone could comment on how extensive it is (is it from the factory records?) and maybe scan a page to show what level of detail it has on variations of models? thanks, I'd be really grateful. If someone's up to that I'd love to see a page with the Dinky #350-360's.


 


Thanks in advance.
Last Edit: 4 years, 4 months ago by edstraker.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #2

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Hi - Reference books are, I've found, a very personal thing because people differ so much in what they want out of them.


Mike and Sue Richardson's book is (IMHO) a first class publication but it isn't a document for model valuations. There have been several editions of the book and I'm not sure which one it's up to now, but I'm sure someone will tell us.


I have several books on Dinky Toys; Mike and Sue Richardson's book; Hornby Dublo by Mike Foster for the railway related stuff; Ramsey's Guide; Model Price Guide; etc etc plus magazine articles on specific areas. What I find is that when I'm looking something up I usually cross reference a number of the books/magazines to get what I'm after.


If all else fails Planet Diecast has a wealth of knowledgeable subscribers who are only too willing to help with a question. 


Hugh
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Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #3

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I completely agree with Hugh,. I have both Mike and Sue Richardson's great book of dinky toys aswell as J.m.Roulet's English Dinky toys. It depens mostly as what are you looking for

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #4

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Hugh has really said what needs to be said. I will however just add my view that the book should not be seen as 'The Bible' for all Dinky Toy matters, but only as a starting guide. It is a book that has been used as fairly accurate reference material, but there are mistakes as I found out when checking Rolls-Royce model facts...too many incorrect facts for a truly reference type Bible for me.


Get one as cheaply as you can, for completeness just for your collection.


Rollerman.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #5

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I have an early edition of the Hornby Companion Dinky Toys & Modelled Miniatures. I also have the Great Book of Dinky Toys, both by Mike and Sue Richardson, my they rest in peace. I also have the Dr Force Book Dinky Toys, revised 6th edition. I find the first Mike and Sue book to be a better lay out with good information on most of what you would be looking for. Some of the write ups in the Second edition are a bit more revealing. The Dr Force book is the lest expensive and has good info too. With the first Dinky Book and the Dr Force book, I get most info I need.
The best I have found is Jacques DuJardin's Dinky Toys Encyclopedia on DVD. It is super and goes into great detail in areas like tires, hubs individual makers like Ford or Bedford listing them in one area. Miltary, French Dinky and all the copies and look alikes. Well worth the $75. Mine was a gift from the original site owners for my contributions to the site back in the Toy Collector Days. If you can find it or Jacques on another site, I would get that one too.
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Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #6

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Dr Force was an American collector who bought every 1/43 he could find back them.  Wrote many, many books for Schiffer, all in the same format.  A great set of references, but they really are just his collection that he documented.  He did not know all the details of the companies and their history.


The Richardsons' books are a must have I think for any serious Dinky collector.   It's beautifully produced!  See 


www.stellabooks.com/books/mike-richardso...f-dinky-toys/1711406


for 2 inside pages...


 


i am glad I have both!

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #7

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I too am glad I have both the Richardson books. Between the three and the CD I have, there is not much missing. Jan Werner fills in lots of mistaken things too from time to time when comments are made about this or that when it comes to Dinky toys. Keesie has the Corgi side covered with his extensive knowledge in that area. GunnerJim is a great source for Matchbox King size and other large size Matchbox items.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #8

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Thanks all for the comments and advice. I agree, Dr Force's book is nice but does seem to be a personal collection catalogue. What I was hoping for specifically, and was keen to hear if The Great Book would fulfil this, was a documentation of official colour variations and other minor variations of the models that I collect.
For example, the Dinky 353 Shado 1, Dr Force has 1 in the book but there are 9 I know of. I'm trying to catalogue a definitive list myself from all the web-based info I can find and there just doesn't seem to be any reference I can find that has the range of variations (official factory made) that I've come across. I guess it's more in the realm of the avid collector.


Thanks for the link @karls that was helpful.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #9

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Ed,


The Great Book will not give you ANY VARIATIONS.  Mostly history and background of each basic model.  Many color photos.  Still well worth it, though.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #10

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Ahh...OK, then it appears this may be up to me as far as what I'm interested in is concerned!

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #11

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Ed and Karls have raised a very interesting, specialised and completely separate subject, one which has the potential to relate to every single model and box that was issued:-

                                                        Variations!

I'm not sure that, as an individual, it's possible to comprehensively cover the whole range of Dinky Toys that were issued, with it being more practical, and realistically achievable, to cover designated/specific areas of interest.

Within my own areas of interest I've found no book, magazine or article either collectively or on their own being the font of all knowledge on this subject. This knowledge (IMHO) comes from years of collecting, looking, reading, asking and especially following a number of auction houses that specialise in this area.

Picking it up along the way!!

Hugh






Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #12

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That is the biggest downside to the book, very if any at all variations listings. Here is a picture from my 2000 (1st edition), example.







I have chosen the page with the UFO models for you.


Rollerman.
Last Edit: 4 years, 4 months ago by TheRollerman.
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Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #13

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The best and most comprehensive guide to Dinky Toys that I have found is Jacques DuJardin's Encyclopedia. It is on CD, can not me copied but I have taken a bunch of screen shots to show the detail that goes into most models in the complete Dinky Range. He also has variations, Code 3 models and fakes as well as the other producers of Dinky like toys ie: Nicky toys etc. Here is the page of the Dinky 351 UFO Interceptor. It has much more information from many sources than any other reference book I have had in my collection. I have both Dinky Bibles and the Dr Force Dinky Toys as well as many articles and magazines on the subject I have collected over the years. See below for the Interceptor page.

































This is just one page on one model. The CD is immense and has huge amounts of information on all sorts of other things like Tires, wheels

Below is most of the title page or search page.





The page you open the CD on or the Start Page is below.



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Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #14

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The books by Gibson, Force, the Richardsons and so on were good for their day, they could not possibly illustrate or list anywhere near all the variations of Dinky Toys known at the time. I would agree that Jaques DuJardin's ever-evolving Encyclopaedia is the most informed Dinky Toy listing. Even almost forty years from the closure of the factory, new casting and colour variations are still coming to light. The Dinky Toy Collectors Association  (DTCA) website is very interesting, with news and discussion from many enthusiastic and knowledgeable collectors added almost on a daily basis. Even so, it is quite possible that the "absolute truth" may never be known - the hunt for the unknown, all a fascinating part of the collecting hobby.

Re: The Great Book of Dinky Toys - Mike & Sue Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago #15

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Thank you all, I really appreciate the scans and comments, it's more than I expected - especially the swag of pages that were relevant to what I'm collecting. I will have to hunt down that CD/DVD it sounds really interesting.
Great discussion. I found that it was the unearthing of variations that made collecting interesting. How can you just settle for the single 'standard issue' when there are different interiors, wheels, colours, missiles, boxes and on and on? Some of my friends look at me puzzled when I show my prized possessions...
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