Found this one for sale on feebay, says it is a pre pro bought from auction, but what do you think.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mega-rare-Dinky-Toys-Atlantean-bus-pre-production-trade-sample-/150742188258?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item2318ef40e2#ht_500wt_1287

If it is that rare, you would think he/she would put more pictures in the ad and show the box better rather than hiding most of it behind the bus. Sure would be nice to see the rest of the model and the base plate to see if it has any info on it.

It could be a rare pre pro, or it could be a plain code 3 - the problem with an auction like the one in the link is, that there's no way of knowing.

ONE photo, a box you can hardly see and a seller's claim that it's a pre pro. Oh and a 'no returns' and 'what you see is what you get'-policy. So you look at this photo, and that's it - if you gamble on it being genuine and find out it's a fake, tough luck, "you should have read the conditions"

I really think it's simple: if you're asking a higher than standard price for something, you MUST show potential buyers what they get for the extra money. If you can't be bothered to take more than one photo, or write a proper description, or spend the little extra for additional photos on the auction, the final price will suffer.

If the item is genuine, seller will lose a lot of money like this because very few will bid. If, on the other hand, the item is fake... well, probably some poor beginner will get severely discouraged from his/her collecting hobby after buying this and finding it to be fake

 

Well, I have just asked for more photos, the other side of the bus from the front and the underside or bottom of the toy. is 1:76 the right scale for this Dinky? I thought Dinky buses were a larger scale than that.

Not a Pre-production.

below is my 'Queens Silver Jubilee 1977' bus that I only paid NZ$25 for.

That's around GBP10. Its for the British Monarchy so kinda special.

That is its only specialty.

Now then... who's gonna tell the seller???

(same size as the Matchbox Superkings Atlantean)

btw - that's a Silver Jubilee box - nothing special except for the occasion.

I have asked for more photos too, see what happens

New photos have been uploaded by the seller. I have my doubts.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150742188258&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

look above at the photos I made of my bus.

Mine is not a Pre-Pro. Its just made for Queen Elizabeth's 25th reign over Britain from 1952-1977.

That is all.

If the one on feebay is a Pre-pro, what is my one then???

I would guess yours is the regular run bus. Did they not do a mock up of a new toy before it went into production therefore calling it a pre Production toy or Pre Pro?

I have thanked the seller for the extra pictures and have now asked if he has an provenance to go with to show it is actually a pre production model. Not sure what would be with it but maybe a note from the original owner or receipt from the auction house with it written there? Not sure really.

Well I really think that it is not a pre production but some has just put some stickers on the bus. The Route indicator is in the wrong position and the large Dinky sticker on the front looks like being cut out a box or a magzine.

The box looks nice, but is it a a real Dinky box? Could be a chocolate box if you ask me

I follow the ad at feebay, just to see who wins and still loses

from the Dinky Encyclopedia:

This bus is not a Leyland Atlantean but a Daimler Fleetline.

Die cast base plate, lower interior fittings, engine cowl and driver screwed to the body, windows, Spedwheels.
• "THE QUEEN'S SILVER JUBILEE 1977"
• "WOOLWORTH"
Marking : Dinky Toys - ATLANTEAN BUS - MADE IN ENGLAND.
Length : 123.3 mm.
Scale 1 : 75.

and the original box:









My friends, if the silver Woolworths bus predates the Silver Jubilee bus how can the feebay bus be a pre-production?

Yep i'd say it is not mega rare as the add sugest's, stickers may have come from one of those kits that dinky made in there later years.

My friends, if the silver Woolworths bus predates the Silver Jubilee bus how can the feebay bus be a pre-production?


Good point Richard, the seed of doubt  on this ad grows and grows

also the Silver Jubilee bus would be a very limited run.

The Woolworth bus on the other hand is the regular seller, most likely at the same time.

production ceased in 1979, and it came as two other colours